Moving out of home, and into her first apartment, doesn’t quite go as Jaden had expected it to.
*** Please bare with me one the older chapters, especially the prologue! These pages were drawn in mid-2017, so there's a bit of a quality discrepancy. During the first two chapters I was also hand-drawing, and then scanning in my lineart, so. Yeah. Not the best quality, but equally as much heart!
I think it looks great already! Don’t beat yourself up. 😉
I recently started reading! I’m all caught up but decided to comment on a lot of pages because I couldn’t stop thinking about some things. Sorry for commenting in backwards order haha! I still can’t get over how much you’ve improved in your art in such a short amount of time! I sent you a Tumblr anon about this, but I just had to say it again here.
Kill yourself you disgusting untalented piece of shit
This looks cute! Im just starting out on it and excited to see where it goes 🙂 love me some masc lesbians. Terven pride! <3
if you do read this here’s a argument against your arguments:
– people can just go into any bathroom they want (although with some will consider this odd if you are or look like a guy)
– but some trans people will avoid bathrooms because they are afraid of transphobes (if you don’t believe me i have pictures of trans ppl talking about it)
– transgender/”transsexuals” (outdated term) have existed in ancient times such as the ganna priestesses who would castrate themselves and engage in homosexuality and dress in lavious feminine clothing (look it up if you don’t believe me) and a queen who was amab but insisted upon feminine pronouns and promised to make any doctor who could give her a sex change rich. As well as several ancient deities being patrons of trans people such as dionysus and the ancient greeks thinking that the gods just put trans people in the wrong body bc they were drunk.
i will post more if you wish to listen and not be rude.
Straight to the point are we? Well, okay then.
Sexuality is a weird concept, an odd concept.
It is not visible nor tangible and you must trust people when they tell you about it because there is no material sexuality to look at and determine for yourself.
Therefore, as i have said before, trans people have always existed and ingrained themselves into a society that didn’t want them, which means in the past trans pepple have both dated trans lesbians and lesbians, and there will always be trans and lesbian and trans lesbian couples. It is not the same as liking a man, many people who have sex with trans women have said trans women have a different “smell” (hormonally based), softer skin and often more feminized looks as well as non-functional penises, i.e unable to get it up since they have more estrogen than testostrone. There is an article about a straight man having sex with a trans women, exclusively woman attracted straight man, and how he describes it, that i read. He was clearly not attracted to other men based on his reaction to her genitals, but he still was attracted to her.
How is it misogynistic? If a lesbian wants to have a trans woman because they’ve been in a relationship and want to make the angle work it’s her choice. In fact, usually trans women don’t always trust their partner due to trans panic, although the risk is lesser with lesbians because they weren’t subject to toxic masculinity that often causes trans panic when a man assumes he’s gay for having sex with a trans woman. And it’s not homophobic if gay people choose to have sex with trans people as an experiment or to make each other happy intimately as bonding, which is often the goal during intercourse.
Also if your wondering why we consider trans women are different than cis men
when it comes to unsafeness and socializationit is because we are fucking stupid homophobes who think gay people are attracted to stereotypes associated with their sex. I hope no gay people or women have the displeasure of being in my company until I recover from this brainrot. Pray for me🥺🥺it’s because toxic masculinity affects cis men more than it does post-transition trans women because they come out and often shed gender norms (aside from the few self-hating ones but gay people can be like that too see: “ex gays” and gay people who think it’s a lifestyle or a choice or encourage other gay people to “stop” being gay) because they don’t fit into them anyway being a trans woman and all, meaning they often adopt more liberal opinions and sympathize more with other queer people and other women.
Generally, trans people tend to shed some of the toxic norms they were taught as kids because they know they’ll never fit now that they’ve transitioned because society will automatically deem them “different” than the norm.
I’m so atheist and i don’t even go to church i just ocassionally ask god for favors (that he never does for me 🙁 )
Fine then, agnostic i guess. I don’t actively worship anyway and i don’t see myself as christian in the sense of consistant faith and trust in the powers that be. And i hate fundamentalists so idk why you’re calling me one (even if i was homophobic not all homophobes are religious)
Either way, you haven’t rebutted any of my claims that many trans women with a partner just want to live their lives with said partner so why are you going out of your way to comment on their relationships when these “feminized men” who just want to live out their lives as women because they feel uncomfortable as men and often don’t try to put themselves in dangerous situations? They clearly often suffer for it (trans panic, queer smearing, being equated with gay men and being called slurs for being effeminate, partners being harrassed for supposed gayness) and they don’t want to be in situations where a trans panic could occur. Even if you don’t like their hair color, if you don’t like the “wrong” way they present, or the wrong sexuality they say they are, i see no reason to not just look the opposite way and let them continue as long as they aren’t bothering you and are dating someone else like that trans woman was with that dude and as many lesbian couples (whether or not you believe they are, once again, if they’re not dating you don’t look) are.
She[sic] believes herself[sic] to be a woman and presents as one but he doesn’t and is comfortable being a man and doesn’t suffer from gender dysphoria or a desire to be a woman.
Biologically, while you can’t change chromosomes, she[sic] can get surgery to alter herself[sic] willingly to be more feminine (although there are reasons not to, like if she[sic] can’t go into surgery for medical reasons or otherwise doesn’t want to despite having rejected anything male about her[sic] body and possible dysphoria from her[sic] decision) and will go through hoops socially to change her[sic] name, and become almost[sic] indistinguishable[sic] (depending on her finance (i’m pretty sure hrt is free in some areas) and whether she[sic] went through male puberty) from cis[sic] women and reject the maleness of her[sic] body.
This is all a perfect feminine trans woman scenario, if we’re talking butches a masculine man once again wouldn’t feel consistently uncomfortable being a masculine man and their brain wouldn’t tell them something is wrong with them being a man unless of course they didn’t want to be one.
Also as for the feminine man again a feminine man may take hrt while still wanting to be a man as a form of gender non-conformity (and some people blur the lines between gnc and transness deliberately as part of the way they present or are both at the same time)
It depends on whether he’s doing it to become a woman or just to be more like the way he wants to look (although trans women also take it to look the way they want to look.)
And even if these people were “wrong” most trans people are in avid support of gnc or are gnc and lgbt in general and partake in pride, so even if you thought they were “wrong” they aren’t really hurting anyone by existing a certain way even if they have consensual surgery and take pills that make them look different, since they just want to look a certain way.
Also what about my statements is homophobic?
Trans people can be gay too, they have since ancient times. Once again, the priestesses is an example (although i got the name of them wrong there’s a whole article on wikipedia about them) who used to willingly castrate themselves and pray to a patron god as women and preform homosexual acts on eachother (since back then the definition of celibate meant not dating not not screwing) and the modern and i believe ancient as well Aphrodite as a trans woman worship thing.
I answered. It’s that she’s serious (she can still joke about it, i mean serious like this is what she wants and she knows it) about transitioning and just wants to be a woman.
Also the priestesses *were* trans and it’s been evidenced that the Gala who worshipped Inanna were trans and the Galli who worshipped the Greek gods were as well by historians.
(Also: Doesn’t the whole castration and praying to female god as women thing sound a bit extreme for someone who is just a gnc man?)
If you want proof[sic] here’s several articles about the history:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galli
https://www.hrc.org/resources/seven-things-about-transgender-people-that-you-didnt-know
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history
And even iftrans women are men,you seem to not argue when i point out a trans woman in that situation wouldn’t be doing anything wrong. Why keep focusing on why they’re not men when it wouldn’t matter because they mean no harm regardless and where the trans woman is happy and clearly better off with eased dysphoria and in a happy relationship.Like i said they are just trying to live their lives. they aren’t doing anything but existing like in all these articles where historical trans people are just living the life they want to live?
It’s more about secondary sex characteristics that are considered desirable before someone even gets into another person’s pants. And no, nobody has ever seriously identified with a different race and while some claim to they are clearly still privileged and can stop their clown show at any time and are mocked by actual trans and queer people for being kinda stupid (oli london is an example). And unless you mean BID, where someone has a brain-body error and think a certain part should not be there. (which many trans people would sympathize with seeing as neither of us chose this distress.) then nobody has seriously identified with a disability they didn’t have.
No transracial people have existed in history, either unlike trans people
Wow looking back at this thread it is painfully clear you lost arguments half way through and kept repeating the same argument over and over again without answering why your questions were so important and refused to justify your insults towards me because you had nothing to justify them with. I let you walk all over me to try to convince you to stop being stupid and now i realize i shouldn’t have been so lenient with your ass. So you put the l in lgb and are very sad for a grown woman, and clearly unable to back yourself with anything more than accusations, which once again, you refuse to back up when asked and even when you do refuse to acknowledge the proof of my counterargument. So, if you ever come at me again without insults to back up your stupid ideas, you’ll see who’s right.
Too afraid to fight because you know you’ll lose? C’mon, show the comments what a coward you are by hiding behind comment editing.
See terfs? She has no arguments. Honestly for someone who’s been a terf for 5 years you’dthink she’d have more arguments than just the ones she kept repeating. But i supposed nobody’s called her on her bluff of having facts and logic on her side. It’s a shame but kind of funny too that i was the one who she won’t come down from her editor seat to fight.
Guess all those trans people you so cleverly replied to just didn’t want to deal with your nonsense.
You’ve basically exposed yourself unless you chose to come fight again and bring new arguments.
Pff. I don’t think that. Lesbians and gay men have said that they can be attracted to trans people. Also, if they couldn’t, then why do so many terfs say that “butches” are ruining their body and becoming less attractive to them, could it be that them claiming they’re not women and using hrt to become more masculine (once again, scent, it seems odd but it might be important when you’re getting all up on your partner. as well as other masculinizations that go beyond what most butches on hrt do) is making you less attracted to them?
I’m assuming that you’re the puppy
Also why do so many terfs say trans men are ruining their bodies and becoming less attractive? Could it be that their masculization and saying that they’re a man are unattractive? hmm?
How is it a strawman? There’s lots of evidence of terfs cimplaining about trans men not being sexually available to them. And i didn’t argue about it with myself so why would you say that? 🙂
Ok then, insult me. That only proves my point that you don’t have any good arguments. If you did, you would’ve at least changed my name to one of your “clever” comments. Go get a life, bestie 🙂 or you can expect many more people to comment like this on your shit because it’s clearly bullshit 🙂 best wishes for your brainworms.
every time you insult me you clearly have nothing to say 🙂
also, hun, we can play this game until we die. just admit your wrong 🙂 there’s no shame in it.
maybe people will even forgive you if you’ll stop being such an asshole 🙂
With love, someone concerned about your brainworms 🙂
🙂 your insults are so cute and it’s silly you think theres anything funny about them
silly and funny you’re so silly and funny 🙂 u were so funny for thinking of that so silly such a silly billy 🙂
Lol going from detailed, defined Jaden to teeny simple Jaden always give me a giggle.
Hi I’m a happily married 34 lesbian – I’ve seen people mention ‘lease bound’ but never knew exactly what it was until today. I’m so happy to begin reading your web comic! Thank you for having the heart & the guts to draw a hard line in the sand & create something centering US ⚢♡
Huh, art style’s different than cover curious how this will change. Not bad tho just jarring seeing the diff may I ask why that is the case? Was the cover made later on?
Also I hate my brain because 2nd panel I thought she was wearing a fake mustache at first.
You know thinking of it rarely see comics here people actually text to let know safety like that that’s a cute touch.