It is a common tactic among trans activists to justify their hate/violent threats against women they disagree with, by dehumanizing said women. That, and in an attempt to turn 'misgerndering' back on those of us who are gender critical, it's a common tactic for transactivists to call the women they disagree with them 'he' or 'it'. Again, not to make it about the detractors, but I know there was some confusion around this.
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FtM anon
“It is a common tactic among trans activists to justify their hate/violent threats against women they disagree with, by dehumanizing said women.”
I mean, you literally represented trans people in your comic with these villianous strawmen. You intentionally drew them as ugly and sinister as possible, complete with hooked noses (antisemitism), evil smirks, and dramatic lighting. That is dehumanizing, and it’s hypocritical. As a reader, I’m interested in your PoV. But when you resort to using strawmen, it muddles whatever point you’re trying to make. It just makes the comic look ignorant at best and hateful at worst. I can’t take it seriously. You’re a talented artist, but I hope that in the future your character writing will contain more compassion. Or at least more nuance.
rustyhearts
Not straw man at all. These TIM characters are based of shit that trans identified males (trans “women”) say on the daily about lesbains and women, And themselves.
Here’s a small sample. Lots are simply screenshots of things TIMs have said and done:
https://trans-activists-are-mras.tumblr.com/post/624247058261491712/alrighty-ive-finally-got-the-time-to-sit-down
https://trans-activists-are-mras.tumblr.com/post/624164311389143040/from-the-author-of
https://trans-activists-are-mras.tumblr.com/post/624151698790875136
https://trans-activists-are-mras.tumblr.com/post/624122655910625280/the-most-oppressed-demographic-on-earth-strikes
https://trans-activists-are-mras.tumblr.com/post/623750088190197760/trans-activist-wants-to-sexually-harass-a-woman
https://trans-activists-are-mras.tumblr.com/post/623747046495666176
https://trans-activists-are-mras.tumblr.com/post/623553069100171264/homophobic-mansplaining-the-progressive-version
https://trans-activists-are-mras.tumblr.com/post/623370258920636416
https://trans-activists-are-mras.tumblr.com/post/623322562970140672
https://trans-activists-are-mras.tumblr.com/post/623242491651653632
https://trans-activists-are-mras.tumblr.com/post/623157624064573440
https://trans-activists-are-mras.tumblr.com/post/623100773974310912
https://trans-activists-are-mras.tumblr.com/post/622780272835952640/wow-radfems-like-you-maybe-are-worst-than-neo
https://trans-activists-are-mras.tumblr.com/post/620737358523957248
https://trans-activists-are-mras.tumblr.com/post/620284152607113217
https://trans-activists-are-mras.tumblr.com/post/619666815771099136
https://trans-activists-are-mras.tumblr.com/post/615372144401170432/to-add-to-that-post-i-feel-like-theres-a
As for the claims of antisemitism I’ve already spoken the topic to death and confirmed with Jewish radfems that the insinuation a big nose (not even consistently hooked, because I used to reference on the dudes faces and was generally quite inexperienced drawing male faces) is antisemitic in and if itself.
Here’s some of them in their own words:
https://lesbihonest-art.tumblr.com/post/184701745948/tra-goyim-really-love-screaming-this-is
https://lesbihonest-art.tumblr.com/post/184666769118/the-troons-making-parodies-of-your-art-and-going
https://lesbihonest-art.tumblr.com/post/184666942708/honestly-if-anything-its-kinda-unsettling-for
(EDIT from 2023: My blog got termed by TRAs, so best bet to view these ones is thru the wayback machine U_U)
Ftm anon
Okay, so a lot of these links just lead to screenshots of TW who are talking about kink stuff and/or anime on twitter. A ton (and I mean a TON) of cis women are also into anime and kink stuff, so I’m not sure what the issue is other than “eww, icky.” I understand being adverse to this stuff (esp the gross “little” stuff), but it seems like a double standard to me when you single out TW who are into these very popular things. Most of these posts appear to just make fun of the way these TW look; a lot of them are older, they’re GNC, or they have the audacity to act confident and flirtatious while being trans. Some of them are obviously disabled, which isn’t a crime. Like. Leave them alone. Some of the posts that get screenshotted have barely any notes, but then they get reposted to an audience of thousands for the sake of cringe comedy.
I’m much more interested in the first link, which leads to a post containing cherry-picked articles about TW committing violent crimes, including rape, pedophilia, and murder. I’m not going to sit here and tell you that these monsters aren’t “real” TW. The “no true Scotsman” fallacy is stupid. It’s more useful to acknowledge that humans are capable of committing atrocious crimes, and TW are no exception. I’m not going to bother with linking to a bunch of articles about cis women committing the same type of crimes, since anyone who knows how to use Google can look that stuff up on their own. Due to double standards in the justice system, (white) women who commit these crimes seem to get lighter sentences (if their crimes are acknowledged at all).
It’s also important to acknowledge that way more women (cis and trans) are victims of violent crimes. Violently criminal women (cis and trans) are the exception, not the rule. But when it does happen, trans women and WoC get used as “proof” that the whole group is bad. Minorities are only as good as their worst members.
I think that popular trans-activism should be criticized. I think it has a misogyny problem because the entire world has a misogyny problem. People of all stripes of life, including cis women, feel entitled to female bodies, often without even realizing it. (As an example, a lot of religious cis women feel entitled to dictate what other women should do with their bodies.) But let’s talk about the specific misogyny of trans-activist twitter culture, which I wholeheartedly cannot stand since twitter is pure cancer.
The concept of the “cotton ceiling” is outrageous: nobody is entitled to sex. The “Punch/Kill a Terf” rhetoric is dangerous, since people seem to think “terf” is another word for lesbian (or any woman who dares to say no to sex). Even if a woman says mean things, she doesn’t deserve to be assaulted (I’m not a believer in the “talk shit get hit” philosophy. Always use your words and only get physical if it’s self-defense against real physical violence.) It’s men who are being violent against TW, not women. To be more specific, it’s mostly black TW who are being killed by men who felt sexually confused by them. From what I’ve seen, it’s mostly white TW who feel so entitled that they equate being rejected or being made fun of with experiencing violence. (There are exceptions of course, I’m speaking very broadly.) It’s an insult to anyone who has endured real violence, especially sexual violence.
As for the nose stuff, I’m gonna take back my initial criticism. Although the character designs here remind me of typical 90s Disney villains, I think my reaction to their noses was a little… well. Reactionary.
I’d still like to read your comic if that’s okay, but as a lurker. I’ll keep my comments to myself, since I’m sure this isn’t your first rodeo and you’ve already heard it all. Even if I consider these trans characters to be bad representation (to say the least), I’m still interested in seeing a perspective that I don’t usually see. The lesbian characters are written very well, and I can empathize with their frustrations. There’s a lot of resentment and division within the LGBT community, and I don’t want to run away from that by staying in my own bubble. I want to see a different side.
rustyhearts
Okay, so a lot of these links just lead to screenshots of TW who are talking about kink stuff and/or anime on twitter. A ton (and I mean a TON) of cis women are also into anime and kink stuff, so I’m not sure what the issue is other than “eww, icky.” I understand being adverse to this stuff (esp the gross “little” stuff), but it seems like a double standard to me when you single out TW who are into these very popular things.
As a radical feminist I am critical of kink, and anti-porn and prostitution. This includes women’s engagement with all three.
To pretend they’re on equal footing is simply disingenuous though. Some of the screenshots I shared are trans identified males talking about how they’re superior “women” because they’d be grateful to men who sexually assault them. That it’s their place to receive.
That’s not “ew icky”. That’s Autogynophilia, misogyny and rape fetishism. They’re reinforcing age old sexism and incel ideas and claiming authority through trans “woman” status.
Women who think those ideas are true/sexually stimulating stand to get hurt by them. Most women in kink relationship are subs, And even femdoms come from men’s humiliation kink. They get off on the “humiliation” of being “low enough” to be dominated by a woman.
It’s simply not the same.
Nor is it “just anime”. Did you look at the misogyny exhibited in those screenshots? The fact these men’s ideal selves are big breasted, underage sexy teenage girls. Those are their transition goals.
It’s pedophilic. Its fetishistic.It’s creepy. It’s disgusting. And a total mockery that any man, particularly these pornsick types are allowed legal claim to womanhood.
Most of these posts appear to just make fun of the way these TW look; a lot of them are older, they’re GNC, or they have the audacity to act confident and flirtatious while being trans. Some of them are obviously disabled, which isn’t a crime. Like. Leave them alone. Some of the posts that get screenshotted have barely any notes, but then they get reposted to an audience of thousands for the sake of cringe comedy.
I’m a firm believer that shaming has a time and place. Men who want to call themselves women and fantasize about living their fetishized version of girlhood deserve shame.
Their hurt egos will never amount to the erosion if fenale and homosexual rights caused by giving these men and inch and them taking a mile.
I’m much more interested in the first link, which leads to a post containing cherry-picked articles about TW committing violent crimes, including rape, pedophilia, and murder. I’m not going to sit here and tell you that these monsters aren’t “real” TW. The “no true Scotsman” fallacy is stupid.
But you’re going to tell me they’re cherry-picked. Based on? That I didn’t provide every single one?
How many do you need not to be considered “cherry picked”?
Considering the percentage of trans identified individuals are a small group. How many of them need to harm women/children/Gay people for it to matter?
It’s more useful to acknowledge that humans are capable of committing atrocious crimes, and TW are no exception. I’m not going to bother with linking to a bunch of articles about cis women committing the same type of crimes, since anyone who knows how to use Google can look that stuff up on their own. Due to double standards in the justice system, (white) women who commit these crimes seem to get lighter sentences (if their crimes are acknowledged at all).
It’s actually most useful for women to be aware of the male pattern of violence.
Trans “women” are a subcategory of men. Hence the TIM acronym ( trans identified males). Males make up a vast majority of rape and sexual assault perpetrators. This doesn’t go away when they identify into the sex class that makes up the vast majority of their victims (women).
Women simply do not rape, nor sexually assault at anywhere near the rates that males do. The point isn’t “identifying as trans makes you more likely to commit crimes” it’s that MALES are dangerous regardless of how they identify. And thus should not be allowed to be recognized as women, or recorded statistically as women in any capacity.
It’s also important to acknowledge that way more women (cis and trans) are victims of violent crimes. Violently criminal women (cis and trans) are the exception, not the rule. But when it does happen, trans women and WoC get used as “proof” that the whole group is bad. Minorities are only as good as their worst members.
Trans identified males are not women of colour. To compare men calling themselves women to the double axis of racism and misogyny that women of colour is a very common thread of racism within trans activism. Their struggles are not the same.
Did you also know there are more trans identified male murderers then there are trans identified male murder victims in the UK?
http://transcrimeuk.com/2017/11/16/trans-homicides-in-the-uk-a-closer-look-at-the-numbers/
I think that popular trans-activism should be criticized.
Trans activism and trans ideology as a whole should be criticized. There is no male and female brains. There is no born in the wrong body. It’s all based in absolute sexist garbage.
Sex dysphoira is a mental illness (but is not required to be trans and recognized as the opposite sex in many places). The last thing it should be treated with is surgery and hormones. Particularly on children, who are very often just exhibiting GNC or homosexual behaviour.
The problem was never people’s bodies and the damage wrought on all the people who’ve been convinced that trying to become/appear as the opposite sex will free them of their pain is absolutely criminal on the part of every medical and mental health professional who is complicit.
I think it has a misogyny problem because the entire world has a misogyny problem.
Misogyny is at the very route of trans activism because it’s based in sexist ideas like brain sex, and has allowed men identify into the class they oppress. Harmed innumerable women and gay people.
People of all stripes of life, including cis women, feel entitled to female bodies, often without even realizing it. (As an example, a lot of religious cis women feel entitled to dictate what other women should do with their bodies.)
Yes there are many women who support the policing of female reproductive rights. But once again, they are equally hurt by the laws and restrictions they support.
Men have only to gain from these restrictions.
Their entitlement to women reproductively and sexually is not comparable to brainwashed right wing women.
And you’re absolutely right, this isn’t my first rodeo. But I have to say this is one of the rare times I’ve seen someone so civil and also aware of at least some of the problems with trans activism (re: appropriated statistics, cotton ceiling, misogyny).
I don’t particularly have an interest in doing a back and forth with an argument I’ve had a thousand times, even in good faith. To be quite honest.
These days I generally just end up linking this collection of sources:
https://trannosphere.tumblr.com/readme
And if it’s on anti-porn/kink stances:
https://anti-porn-unicorn.tumblr.com/post/190274236112/masterpost-of-anti-porn-masterposts
Lease Bound was never intended to be a 101 to radical feminism or gender critical views. But the story line of the AGPs does reflect upon and hold the lesbophobia and misogyny or trans activism up to ridicule in a way I and other lesbians fine cathartic.
We are losing our spaces to men. We are seeing the few bits of GNC female rep we get either be transitioned, paired with men (trans identified or otherwise) or killed off.
I figured it’d be nice to have one piece of lesbian media where those things don’t happen, And where lesbian spaces aren’t taken over by men.
Also wanna say it’s not easy leaving your own bubble and I think that’s very commendable of you. The worst thing that can happen by engaging with other opinions/view points is learning nothing, I’d say.
And anyone who wants to read my comic is more than welcome. As a gender critical lesbian, I make it with lesbians who share my views first and foremost, but I’d never dream of turning someone away from reading it. I don’t even really know how I could stop them if I wanted really.
I’m very proud of my work and I’m happy for it to be read by anyone. And I hope that you enjoy reading it.
Dan T.
As a libertarian, I disagree with the radical feminist view on kink, porn, and prostitution; I believe that consenting adults have the right to do things even if others find them “perverted”. But people don’t have the right to force themselves on others, so I agree with a women-only club such as is illustrated here excluding “transwomen” if they wish. And on this issue I find the “radfems” more congruent with biological reality than trans activists. Back in the ’80s and ’90s I was very much against radical feminism for its censoriousness (and they did seem to be part of that era’s political correctness movement) but in recent times I’ve found things to agree with in their beliefs even if I don’t buy them entirely.
rustyhearts
If you think radical feminists’ issue with kink, prostitution and pornography is that they’re perverse you are incredibly ignorant. Consent cannot be bought. When you buy a prostitute you are using financial coercion as she would not sleep with you otherwise. Coercion for sex is rape.
You’d do well to look into the psychological effects of both pornography consumption and the extreme abuse suffered by the women and girls who participate.
Turning of your critical thinking because an adult “consents” to something like a harmful kink (achieving orgasm to hitting/being hit for example) is as ludicrous as claiming a person who consents to smoking a cigarette is no longer in danger of all the harm’s it brings. Consent is a bare minimum but is not a shield from criticism.
Your position of support on the trans issue specifically doesn’t mean a lot to me when you lack such basic critical thinking skills and empathy for women.
C'mon
People really want to pretend that trans women never look like this… Why?
I mean does your support for trans women lessen when they look like men in wigs and makeup? What’s your beef with this portrayal? Are trans women only valid to you when they look like cis barbie dolls? I’ve seen plenty of trans women that look like men, because well… C’mon.
Especially when they “transition” well into adulthood and don’t have the money for cosmetic surgeries. Are these kinds of trans women not valid to you TRAs?
Stop pretending these people do not exist.
joyfulkitten
there is some thing, and this things is, that biology just don’t care about people identifications, you can say that you’re pineapple, but you don’t become a pineapple, the same thing with trans people, they are just thinking that they are somebody else sex
Lea
The author is anti-porn but this reads like a fetish comic
rustyhearts
This woman is criticising a group of men for their often violent misogyny? Well I think this means she’s secretly aroused by them. I am very smart.
BlackSwallowtail
For people criticizing their appearance as “strawman”, I actually saw a dude with a skullet and lipstick protesting a Megan Murphy talk. And there are sooo many selfies of TIMs that look like all three. If anything, the author made them less perverted because they’re decently-if ridiculously-dressed.
rustyhearts
I feel like I was pretty generous! They look relatively clean, and they even got in a few scathing one liners! But unless you’ve got their tacky boots in your mouth, it’ll never be enough smh.
Liv
I would just like to say that this comic is INCREDIBLY cathartic for me to read, and was sent to me by another radfem and lesbian who feels the same way. Reading a comic where women actually get to keep our spaces ours is a fucking amazing and liberating feeling after spending my time reading about TW being allowed into female spaces more and more. Thank you for providing this incredibly important art for those of us who really need the hope it provides us. X
rustyhearts
Cathartic is exactly the way I wanted LB – and this scene specifically to feel. I’m so so happy that is come across to many readers.
Thank YOU for taking the time to leave such a lovely comments ??
Ashley
I’m cackling at these depictions. They’re SO accurate LOL I’ve seen sooooo many male-to-female transgendered people that look exactly like this. I mean, goddamn, the reality of Twitter and Reddit are often far worse than this leads on. Those are the exact things they say while looking like that too. They have these conjured-up pornified identities that look stupid and ugly as hell; it’s just so ironic.
Rincevent
It IS disgustingly transphobic. I’m out.
rustyhearts
lmao cry harder
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you won’t be missed!
Sly Fawkes
There aren’t enough psychoactive drugs in the world to make me believe fully intact males with Laydeefeelz are women, and so many of them really do look just like this group of antagonists. It’s amazing the mental gymnastics we’re expected to do to avoid offending middle-aged autogynephiles.
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